[Posted
October 31, 2007]DEVOTEE: Last week in Bombay, Srila Prabhupada, an American astronaut that went to the moon, they asked him if he experienced God or he felt some help from God in his trip. And he said, "No, I had no religious experience. God must have gone the other way."
PRABHUPADA: What is that?
GURUKRIPA: Which way was that?
PUSTA KRSNA: He said that when he...
DEVOTEE: He went to the moon.
PUSTA KRSNA: When he went up in the space capsule to the moon, he had no religious experience, so he thought that there was no God.
PRABHUPADA: So space traveling induces a man to accept God?
PUSTA KRSNA: I think it's a material conception, that God is in the heavens, above the clouds.
PANCA-DRAVIDA: According to Bhagavatam, these...
PRABHUPADA: That is a fact. Beyond this material universe, very, very far away.
Hrdayananda: But another astronaut who went, he had religious experience, and after coming back he became missionary.
PRABHUPADA: That is natural.
SUDAMA: Another astronaut went insane.
PRABHUPADA: Hm?
SUDAMA: And another astronaut went insane, like a madman.
PRABHUPADA: Hm. What was the reason?
SUDAMA: For his insanity? He could not explain.
JAYATIRTHA: Insanity is also a result of sinful activities.
PANCA-DRAVIDA: Too much passion.
PUSTA KRSNA: Srila Prabhupada? We live in this material world, and we're in so much ignorance that we don't know who it belongs to. Is that due to sinful activities?
PRABHUPADA: Hm? What is this?
PUSTA KRSNA: We live in the material world, and we don't perceive who it actually belongs to, like living in a house, not knowing who the owner is. So is this sense of ignorance due to sinful activities?
PRABHUPADA: Yes. Suppose if I go to America and if you do not know what is the political constitution of America, how the country is being managed, that is my foolishness. I must know that in America there is a president, the government is like this, the law is like this. Then I am intelligent. And if I do not know anything, if I think everything is automatically going on, then I am foolish rascal. They think like that, "Everything is going on, nature." They cannot explain what is the nature. Even this flower growing, the tree is growing; foolish people say, "This is nature," but intelligent person knows what is the law behind it, acting. That is intelligence and foolish. Nothing can happen. These big, big so-called scientists, they are talking of accidents. That is another rascal. Accidents, why? Why accident? This flower is not growing in this tree, and this flower is not growing in this tree by accident. Why it is not happening? Accidents means that. There is no law. Something happens without any law. That is accident. But we are generally seeing that this flower never grows in this tree and this flower never grows in this tree. Where is accident?
GURUKRIPA: It's not accident.
PRABHUPADA: Hm?
GURUKRIPA: It's not accident.
PRABHUPADA: No, but they say. They have got a big theory, accident theory.
MADHUDVISA: They say that in due course this will evolve, that just as this flower, this tree is giving this flower, this rose tree, so after generations, generations of...
PRABHUPADA: And we have to believe these rascals, "in future." That is the same post-dated check, that "You take this ten thousand dollars. It will be paid three hundred years after." So I will have to accept that. I am not such a fool.
MADHUDVISA: They will say, "You have to look back into history, and you'll see how history will repeat itself in the future."
PRABHUPADA: What is that history? The rose flower gave birth to lotus flower? Where is that history?
MADHUDVISA: This is what they say, that...
PRABHUPADA: Therefore they are rascals.
MADHUDVISA: ...at one time that all the vegetation was...
PRABHUPADA: Therefore they are rascals. Therefore they are rascals. Now they say, the Darwin rascal says, that from monkey man came. Why the monkeys now do not give men? That is rascaldom, false theory.
PRABHUPADA: That is another thing. You are the cause of this crossbreeding. It is not accident. You are making arrangement; therefore it is.... There is cause. It is not accident. There is no accident.