Scientists mistaking effects for causes

Founder-Acharya of the world-wide Hare Krishna Movement, Brahma Sampradaya Acharya

"This direction is coming from Me"—Bhagavad-gita

Svarup Damodar: RNA is a big molecule and that is actually transferred from this DNA molecule. DNA molecule, they call it the master molecule from which everything comes, all the molecules. Now if we see this carefully, we can see at every step that there is a specific direction and information without which this whole machinery will break down.

Prabhupada: Yes, that is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Sarvasya chaham hridi sannivishto mattah smritir jnanam apohanam cha [Bg. 15.15]. Find out this verse. Vedaish cha sarvair ... So "If you want to acquire knowledge how these molecules are working, so you must know it is coming from Me, the direction is coming from Me." You are waiting, wherefrom this direction is coming. Krishna says "This direction is coming from Me." Mattah, "from Me." Then the Absolute Truth, it is recognized.

Pusta Krsna: And the scientists are mistaking the effects for the causes? The molecules are working under Krishna's direction.

Prabhupada: Working under the direction, yes, under the direction of the Supersoul. That is stated, mattah, "from Me."

Hari-sauri: Shall I read it?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hari-sauri: [Reads:]

sarvasya chaham hridi sannivishto
mattah smritir jnanam apohanam cha
vedaish cha sarvair aham eva vedyo
vedanta- krid veda-vid eva chaham [Bg. 15.15]

"I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed, I am the compiler of the Vedanta, and I am the knower of the Vedas."

Prabhupada: So you are searching, you are surprised how this direction is coming. Here is the answer, mattah, "from Me." The answer is there.

Sadaputa: A comparison can be made with things like this, and, say, a computerized factory. A computerized factory, there has to be direction all the time, or else it breaks down.

Prabhupada: Yes, that direction is coming from Krishna. He is all-perfect.

Svarup Damodar: The instructions are given so vividly here, that first there is called the initiation step. It has to get specific information coded in this, they are called bases, and now, then it elongates, and then finally it's called stop signal. There's some message coming that "You stop right there." And if there is some mistake or something wrong along the path, then there will be a correction signal: "You made a mistake, so correct there." This type of...

Prabhupada: Just see how perfect. How perfect it is. [laughs] Purnam idam purnat purnam udachyate [Ishopanishad, Invocation]. Because the direction is coming from the purnam, complete, so correction is made and everything is done, everything nicely. Because the direction is coming from the complete perfect, there cannot be any mistake. That's it.

Svarup Damodar: So this is actually the first step of protein synthesis. In order to make proteins, this messenger RNA has to be transcribed from this DNA molecule. In the next step you'll see the final step for protein synthesis. Now there are also RNA's—they are called transfer RNA, those white-colored, white and yellow-colored things. [laughter] Each of them has to bring a specific amino acid, coded to a specific code, three base codes, base pair. Now each of them has to bring a specific amino acid and to put it together in a very specific manner. They cannot scramble. Because if it scrambles there's not going to be...

Prabhupada: Again mistake, again mistake.

Svarup Damodar: Yes. So it cannot happen.

Prabhupada: Just rightly. So much direction is there, perfect.

Svarup Damodar: Yes. So like that, then, when the..., once they bring these amino acids one by one, then they stick together, and that also process is done by enzymes. There are so many steps involved, and very intricate. It is actually done by a catalyst called enzymes. Enzymes are also very big molecules. Actually they are also proteins, and in each step the enzymes are so specific that they do only one specific function just for the right purpose, and once this is done then slowly the protein separates at the right time and with the proper length and proper number of amino acids. In this way, actually we can prove in every case that...

Prabhupada: Perfect direction.

Svarup Damodar: Yes, the direction of the Supersoul is a necessity. In whatever condition we look at, even in the molecules.

Prabhupada: So nice management, there must be nice direction.

Rupanuga: No question of chance.

Pusta Krsna: Andantara-stha-paramanu-chayantara-stham. Krishna is in every atom.

Prabhupada: Yes, and He... If somebody says how the atoms are working like that, the Krishna's..., Brahma says, andantara-stha-paramanu-chayantara-stham. He is within the atom also, the Supreme. Therefore it is acting so nice. Eko 'py asau rachayitum jagad-anda-kotim [Brahma-samhita 5.35]. Whole material world is going on under His direction, and He is acting within the atom also. Andantara-stha-paramanu- chayantara-stham. As He is directing this cosmic arrangement, similarly He is directing from the atom, within the atom also. That is omnipotency.

Svarup Damodar: So we want to develop these concepts and prove...

Prabhupada: Yes, Krishna will help you.

Svarup Damodar: Now later on, when Sadaputa speaks, there will be similar concepts, but that is applied to the human platform called inspiration... inspiration and proving the existence of Paramatma, Supersoul. Actually, it ties together very well. Even from the molecular level we can see this, and in the human platform actually it is very vividly...

Prabhupada: Manifested.

Svarup Damodar: We can feel it.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.

Svarup Damodar: So in all branches of study, either it is physical or chemical or mathematical, in all branches of science, we want to show the existence of Krishna.

Prabhupada: His hand is working.

Svarup Damodar: Yes.

Prabhupada: Mayadhyakshena prakritih suyate sa-characharam [Bhagavad-gita 9.10]. That is the fact. That is Krishna conscious.