So this systematic work of nature, how it is possible if there is no supervision?

Darwin's Opinion Not Final

PRABHUPADA: Darwin's theory is body is changing, but why it is changing, he does not explain.

GURU-KRPA: It's because of nature. You can't explain nature. That's his only answer.

PRABHUPADA: Nature.... But we also say, prakriteh kriyamanani [Bhagavad-gita 3.27]. So it is to be understood that it is being done under superior control. If nature is doing, so nature is superior control. He cannot explain. So if he does not know how nature is working, then what is the value of his theory? If he says that he cannot explain how nature is doing, that means he is not expert. He may be mistaken. So why his opinion or decision should be taken final? He does not know how nature is working. That is not perfect knowledge. Does he say like that, "Nature is working"?

GURU-KRPA: Nature.

On faith from great personalities

PRABHUPADA: So how nature is working, he does not know. Then his knowledge is imperfect. Nature is working how, that we know. That is very sober understanding. We say that nature is working under the superintendence of Krishna. Mayadhyakshena prakritih suyate sa-characharam [Bg. 9.10].

Nature.... We see nature. Generally we have got idea of the material nature, that the sun is one of the part and parcel of nature's working. The moon is also, the seasonal changes. So many things, nature is working very systematically. The summer season will appear exactly in the month of June and July. The fall begins in September every year. One can foretell that "Next September this will happen," because nature's routine is very fixed up. So this systematic work of nature, how it is possible if there is no supervision?

GURU-KRPA: What they do is they just take it for granted because it's happening so regularly.

PRABHUPADA: So that means you have to accept it—there is superior administration. You may not know what is that administration, but you have to accept it. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Krishna says, "Under My supervision." Here those who are in the gross ignorance, not intelligent, they can suggest that there is some brain, just like Professor Einstein used to say. But he has no knowledge who is that brain, and we have that knowledge, who is that brain. That brain is Krishna. Therefore our knowledge is perfect. They can simply suggest that "There is a brain," but we can say, "Here is the brain." Then it is.... If one knows whose brain it is, that is perfect knowledge.

GURU-KRPA: But they have no faith. That's the only difficulty.

PRABHUPADA: That is foolishness. You accept some brain. But if somebody comes who is accepted as the brain, [yet] they have no faith, that means rascal. Narada says, "Here is the brain." Brahma says, "Here is the brain." Shiva says, "Here is the brain." Then acharyas, Vyasadeva, says, "Here is the brain." Then modern acharyas, they say, "Here is the brain." Then why don't you accept? You are so rascal? Just like a person is going to London. So if he says, "I have no faith that this Quantas will carry me to London," then how he will be convinced? How he'll be? If he says that "I have no faith in this Quantas company, that it will carry me to London," and if he does not purchase the ticket—he has no faith—then who will be loser? The Quantas company will be loser and he will be loser. You can say that, that Quantas will carry him to London. You can say that. But if on account of this wrong faith if he does not purchase the ticket, then who will be loser? The Quantas will be loser or he will be loser? If you have no faith, then you are loser. You remain. Rot in this place. Do not try to go to London. What do you think? Eh?

INDIAN MAN (1): The traveler is the loser.

PRABHUPADA: What is that?

GURU-KRPA: The traveler is the loser.

PRABHUPADA: Yes, traveler is the loser. If you have no faith, then loser, you are loser. You will never understand. Therefore shastra says, Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah [Chaitanya-charitamrita Madhya 17.186]. Big, big stalwart acharyas, mahajanas, they are accepting. Therefore we accept. That is sense. And if you sit down, "No, no, I have no faith," you'll sit down and remain a rascal, that's all. Adau shraddha ["In the beginning there is faith"]. Therefore faith is the first thing. Adau shraddha. If he has got intelligence, he'll see: "So many big, big.... Lord Brahma accepts. Lord Shiva accepts. Vyasadeva accepts. Narada accepts. The acharyas accept. So am I more than them? No. I will accept." And that is perfection of.... Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. And if still you remain faithless, then you are rascal. Same example can be.... Quantas. So many hundreds are purchasing ticket. They have also never seen London, but on faith they're purchasing ticket. So you have no faith, you don't purchase; therefore remain here. Without faith you cannot begin to work. The same example: You have gone to a barber shop. He is shaving, and people blindly, closing eyes, and he has got a razor. He can immediately cut. But why do you do this? Because you have faith that "These people are professional barbers. They are shaving so many other people. They will not kill me. All right. Go on." This is faith. And if you have no faith, then you will never have clean shaven. You go away. So beginning is faith, but faith should not be blind. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. You have to take faith from great personalities. That is faith. Just like you American boys and girls. You began with faith. Without faith nothing can be.... Adau shraddha. Just like people come, and they get some faith that "So many people are following Swamiji." So he associates for some time. Then he offers himself for initiation. This is the way. Adau shraddha tatah sadhu-sango 'tha bhajana-kriya [Cc. Madhya 23.14-15]. And bhajana-kriya, if he agrees with spiritual master and takes his word, then anartha-nivrittih syat. Spiritual master says, "You should not do this," and if he follows, then automatically his unnecessary burden is cleansed. This is the way. But faith is the beginning. And that is quite natural. Faith means by seeing others, respectable persons following, "And why not I shall follow?" That is faith. Faith is not also blind. You can see that so many others are doing, "So why I myself?"