[Posted
June 15, 2008]
Washington Post June 15, 2008
- RAMA LAKSHMI
PUSTA KRSNA: Anyway, his question is, "Swami Vivekananda has given a positive suggestion that one of the best ways for harijanas to command respect among all sections of people is to learn Sanskrit, the study of which is being neglected even by brahmanas today. What incentives can be given to harijanas to learn Sanskrit, the repository of Indian culture and religion?"
PRABHUPADA: That is another misgiving. They will never be able to learn Sanskrit, and neither it is possible that by learning Sanskrit they will be elevated. There are many Sanskrit scholars. So how they are elevated? They are rotting. It is not a good suggestion, this. If the harijana actually becomes harijana, then it will benefit. That training we can give. This Krishna consciousness movement is that we can make a harijana, a so-called, I mean to say, chamaras, bhangis... Now they understand harijana means he must be a chamara or bhangi. But that is not the actual... harijana means devotee, "The man of Hari." So in spite of their illiteracy in Sanskrit language, we can make him harijana, actually. So why do you take the trouble of learning Sanskrit? Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, mam hi partha vyapashritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah [Bg. 9.32]. Papa-yoni means low-grade birth. So anyone. That includes the chamaras, bhangis, they can be purified if they take to the shelter of Krishna. Because Krishna says, aham tvam sarva papebhyo mokshayishyami. The best thing is to induce them to come to Krishna. Then they will be purified. And the simple method is recommended by Krishna Himself and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, His incarnation: this kirtana. Engage them in sankirtana movement which is being pushed by this Krishna consciousness movement and they will be purified. They don't require to learn Sanskrit even. As he, it is. Let them chant Hare Krishna and they will be purified. And if you want to teach them Sanskrit, it will take three thousand years. [laughter] That is impossible.
PUSTA KRSNA: It is a fact though that the repository of Indian culture and religion is Sanskrit. So are you saying then that the harijanas or these class of people...
PRABHUPADA: Yes, it is Sanskrit, but the Vedic mantras are received not by learning Sanskrit, but by hearing from the authorized person. Therefore it is called shruti. It is in Sanskrit because there was no other language. Sanskrit was the only language. So now they're being translated into English. So it doesn't matter whether it is in Sanskrit or English, one has to learn it by hearing from the proper person. That is wanted. It is... The Vedic mantras are called shruti, not "Sanskriti". [laughter]. It is called shruti. Shruti means the first business is hearing. Tad-vijñanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet [Mundaka Upanishad 1.2.12]. What is the purpose of going to guru? Means guru is the authorized person from hear..., from him hear. So it doesn't require that one has to learn Sanskrit. We have got so many disciples. It is not that they first of all learned Sanskrit. They heard. It may be in Sanskrit language or in English language. It doesn't matter. Let him hear the real fact. That is wanted. Although the Vedic mantras are in Sanskrit, the process to understand is to hear. To hear it may be any language, to hear and understand, then he becomes perfect. It is not the Sanskrit language. It is the hearing which is important.
PUSTA KRSNA: So will this bring respect...?
PRABHUPADA: Shravanam kirtanam vishnu. Hear and chant about Vishnu. That is wanted. Not krin pratyaya, di-pratyaya, du-pratyaya. No. That is not wanted. Na hi na hi rakshati du-krin-karane. This will not save you. If you have become a Sanskrit scholar, du-pratyaya, di-pratyaya, da-pratyaya, that will not save you. Na hi na hi rakshati dukrin-karane, bhaja govindam bhaja govindam bhaja govindam mudha mate [Sri Shankaracharya, Moha-mudgara Stotra: "Worship Govinda, worship Govinda, worship Govinda, you foolish rascal! When inevitable death arrives, your grammatical word jugglery will not save you."]. So this, they are thinking by learning Sanskrit they will become perfect. In the Bhagavad-gita I don't find that "You learn Sanskrit, then you become perfect." No. "You surrender unto Me, then you become perfect." That is wanted. If you learn Sanskrit, there is no harm, but it is not the only condition that you have to learn Sanskrit, then you will be able.