[Posted
July 8, 2007]
Daily Exhumation July 5, 2007
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SYAMASUNDAR: Then he describes world history to be the supreme tribunal or the higher judge of events. He says that what actually happens to a state or a people represents the final judgment as to the worth of a national policy or a course of action, that the history will bear out...
PRABHUPADA: Alright, the state is imperfect; then there is no such question.
SYAMASUNDAR: He says that the history will bear out whether a policy is good or bad. For instance the Roman Empire came, and then it fell. So their policy is...
PRABHUPADA: So we say that any empire will come, and fail. Without studying history. Because godless empire will never exist.
SYAMASUNDAR: He says that each state represents some phase of the absolute truth, that it expresses itself in the temporal events or the march of time.
PRABHUPADA: We accept that without historical reference, we say unless one state or king is representative of God, that is not state. That is a group, that is not state. Just like even in aboriginals, they have also group. They have also group. That is not state. I think there must be some distinction...
DEVOTEE: Tribe.
PRABHUPADA: Yes, tribe and state.
SYAMASUNDAR: He says that the dominant nation in any epoch represents the dominant phase of the absolute idea during that time. Just like now America is the dominant nation in the world so that the dominant phase of the truth is being expressed through America.
PRABHUPADA: Therefore Mr. Nixon supported Pakistan. [laughter] Everyone knew, all other nations knew that this Pakistan is creating havoc, genocide, they're killing innocent men in Bangladesh, and Nixon, Mr. Nixon publicly supported. And still he is angry about India because India is the richest country. He has withdrawn all help. So he is supporter of mischievous activities.
SYAMASUNDAR: Just like before, the British were the dominant nation and then again some other country would be the dominant nation, he says that this dominant nation expresses at the time what the, the absolute truth expressing itself in time.
PRABHUPADA: Yes, the dominant nation is, it is connected with the absolute truth — that up to Maharaja Parikshit, five thousand years ago, the king of Hastinapur, they were dominating the whole world. Because Maharaja Parikshit, Maharaja Yudhishthira were actually representing God, therefore their domination was possible. Now, that being lost, there are so many small states, they are not God conscious, therefore fighting each other, that's all, like cats and dogs. But it is a fact that the Vedic culture kings like Maharaja Ramachandra, Maharaja Prithu, Maharaja Yudhishthira, Maharaja Parikshit, and later on some other kings also, they were actually representative of God, so there was no trouble. One king was ruling all over the world.
SYAMASUNDAR: Is the fact that America is now the dominant nation also God's will?
PRABHUPADA: Yes, that I say, because some of the Americans are Krishna conscious.
SYAMASUNDAR: So what is the meaning, then, that America is the dominant nation?
PRABHUPADA: America is dominant now. Actually most of you don't support Mr. Nixon. But he is on the head. So how he has become head, that is mysterious. Because people, when you study the people, they do not support him. There are so many, I mean to say, procession against, protesting against Mr. Nixon's policy and so many things. But still he is on the head, of the executive power. So there is something mysterious. Actually, the present government does not represent the others. That is everywhere. So, how we can understand that this nation is good or bad by the state behavior. Just like we issued that statement that these Americans not... These Americans were following the Nixon philosophy. There was a cartoon, that in our temple nobody is coming.
KIRTANANANDA: Nobody is what?
PRABHUPADA: Nobody is coming.
DEVOTEE: India.
PRABHUPADA: In India. Because there was a feeling against the Americans. People are going to the ambassadors and place, the consulate, they are protesting, the police was there, very good. Eh? Against, against killing, counter feelings against the Americans doing the work. So I issued one statement that these Americans, they are devotees, they have nothing to do with politics. So at the present moment, actually what is the American nation, simply by seeing the state we cannot give our judgment that this is the American nation, because there are many who are not in agreement with the state power. But they [the politicians] are posing themselves, that "we represent America".
SYAMASUNDAR: He says that it is God's will that a certain nation will be dominant at a certain time, so I'm just wondering what is the reason that God has made America dominant.
PRABHUPADA: That is his philosophy. He says. God does not say. He has no connection with God that he can speak on behalf of God, "It is God's will, God's..." Does he say like this?
SYAMASUNDAR: No, he says that whatever is, is right, and that this good and this reason in its most concrete form is God. God governs the world.
PRABHUPADA: Yes. That also we admit because in the Bhagavad-gita it is said, yad yad vibhutimat sattvam, mama tejo 'risha-sambhavam: whenever there is some extraordinary power, it should be understood that it is derived partially from God's power. That we accept. So the dominance of American nation is God's favor. We can accept that. Now, if you put on the head representative like Mr. Nixon or some other, then it will deteriorate. If you spread Krishna consciousness and if you make your president Krishna conscious, then actually you will be God's empowered nation. Let the president become Krishna conscious man. Why not? You are American, you can also capture the post. You can become senator, you can be congressman. So educate the American public (in) Krishna consciousness, elect Krishna conscious president and actually you will be God's favored nation is there. You have got the opportunity and the Krishna consciousness movement is also in your hand, now it is up to you to utilize it and become actually the leaders of the world. That was my mission: "I shall go to America, and educate them, and they, if they follow, the whole world will follow." And that is coming to be true. You are all young men, it is in your hand. Now you make policy in that way. Just like the communists. A few communists, Stalin, Lenin, they formed a big communist party, now it is predominating all over the world. Similarly, you are so many nice, young, flowers, intelligent young Americans you have understood the philosophy, and now it is up to you to spread this "ism". You don't become stagnant — "Now I have understood Krishna consciousness, I shall sit down and chant Hare Krishna."
SYAMASUNDAR: Peace.
PRABHUPADA: No, we don't want that. Go, spread, preach, and make your nation glorified.