[Posted
November 13, 2009]
Lew Rockwell - 1972
- MURRAY N. ROTHBARD
PRABHUPADA: Because the communist state will never be perfect, there is no possibility of a classless society.
SYAMASUNDAR: Marx examines history and sees that in Greek times, in Roman times, and in the Middle Ages slaves were always required for production.
PRABHUPADA: The Russians are also creating slaves—the working class. Joseph Stalin stayed in power simply by killing all his enemies. He killed so many men that he is recorded in history as the greatest criminal. He was certainly imperfect, yet he held the position of dictator, and the people were forced to obey him.
SYAMASUNDAR: His followers have denounced him.
PRABHUPADA: That's all well and good, but his followers should also be denounced. The point is that in any society there must be a leader, there must be directors, and there must be workers, but everyone should be so satisfied that they forget the difference.
SYAMASUNDAR: No envy.
PRABHUPADA: Ah, no envy. But that perfection is not possible in the material world. Therefore Marx's theories are useless.
SYAMASUNDAR: But on the other hand, the capitalists also make slaves of their workers.
PRABHUPADA: Wherever there is materialistic activity, there must be imperfection. But if they make Krishna the center, then all problems will be resolved.
SYAMASUNDAR: Are you saying that any system of organizing the means of production is bound to be full of exploitation?
PRABHUPADA: Yes, certainly, certainly! The materialistic mentality means exploitation.
SYAMASUNDAR: Then what is the solution?
PRABHUPADA: Krishna consciousness!
SYAMASUNDAR: How is that?
PRABHUPADA: Just make Krishna the center and work for Him. Then everyone will be satisfied. As it is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam [4.31.14]:
yatha taror mula-nishechanena
tripyanti tat-skandha-bhujopashakhah
pranopaharach cha yathendriyanam
tathaiva sarvarhanam achyutejya
If you simply pour water on the root of a tree, all the branches, twigs, leaves, and flowers will be nourished. Similarly, everyone can be satisfied simply by achyutejya. Achyuta means Krishna, and ijya means worship. So this is the formula for a classless society: Make Krishna [God] the center and do everything for Him. There are no classes in our International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Now you are writing philosophy, but if I want you to wash dishes, you will do so immediately because you know that whatever you do, you are working for Krishna and for your spiritual master. In the material world different kinds of work have different values, but in Krishna consciousness everything is done on the absolute platform. Whether you wash dishes or write books or worship the Deity, the value is the same because you are serving Krishna. That is a classless society. Actually, the perfect classless society is Vrindavana. In Vrindavana, some are cowherd boys, some are cows, some are trees, some are fathers, some are mothers, but the center is Krishna, and everyone is satisfied simply by loving Him. When all people become Krishna conscious and understand how to love Him, then there will be a classless society. Otherwise it is not possible.