[Posted
Apr 22, 2009]
Time Magazine July 18, 1969
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PRABHUPADA: The newspaper said that "Mr. such and such went to moon planet." Oh, immediately believe. See? A newspaper, ten cent worth newspaper. And in the Bhagavad-gita Krishna says, yanti deva vrata devan: [Bg. 9.25] "One who can... One can go to the demigods planets by worshiping them. You can go, yanti deva vrata devan, as others. Similarly, one can come to Me by worshiping Me." Mad yajino 'pi yanti mam. So they never worshiped Chandra, and how they can go to the Chandra planet, or moon planet? Then Krishna is false. Krishna is imperfect. They become "perfect". They are defying Krishna's instruction. They have gone to moon planet. Then our whole propaganda, Krishna consciousness, becomes bogus. Therefore I always protest.
SUDAMA: They have not gone.
PRABHUPADA: They have not gone. We have got our tests. I am speaking from the very beginning, "They have not gone." And practically you see, even if you have gone, what utility you have made? They are simply planning, again planning. "We shall get petrol from there. We shall have defense from there." Simply bluffing, simply bluffing. The Americans will go to the moon planet to defend his country from the Russians. Just see. And we have to believe all these nonsense proposals. What defense they will do from there? Is it not the proposal? Yes.
PRABHUPADA: ...If we don't believe that they have gone to moon planet, they will reject us. They will immediately take as "Oh, these people are crazy." Even if you give sufficient reason or argument, they will not take it. That is their obstinacy.
RAMESVARA: They're convinced by the photographs.
PRABHUPADA: Eh?
RAMESVARA: They have some photographs of the men in the spacesuits walking around on that other planet.
KIRTANANANDA: But they are convinced because the scientists have told them. They believe the scientists. They have faith, and the scientists can tell them anything, and they'll believe it.
PRABHUPADA: Yes, that is.... That is the disease.
KIRTANANANDA: They have put faith. Everyone has faith. You cannot live without having faith in somebody. So they put their faith in the scientists, and we are saying it is wrong.
HARI-SAURI: Nobody could possibly believe that the scientists would cheat them. They think they are very intelligent, honest men.
PRABHUPADA: No, we have got our faith—in Krishna. Similarly, they have got their faith—in scientists.
HARI-SAURI: That article in the last BTG [Back to Godhead magazine].... Sadaputa, he said, "So what it boils down to is they are putting their faith in chance, and we are putting our faith in God."
PRABHUPADA: Yes. That is statement of the scientists. Adau shraddha: in everything, faith is the beginning. Adau shraddha. Without faith you cannot make any progress.
SATSVARUPA: What about our promise, in the future also, that you go to Krishna in the future?
PRABHUPADA: We have got proof. Krishna says. We believe in Krishna. You believe in some rascal; we believe in Krishna. That is the difference. Krishna says, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti [Bg. 4.9]. So we believe that. That's all. We have got evidence. You have no evidence. You are simply suggesting in future you'll do. But we have got evidence.
GARGAMUNI: Sometimes they ask, "Show us somebody who's come [back from there]."
PRABHUPADA: Hm?
GARGAMUNI: "Show us someone who has come from there."
PRABHUPADA: Many.
GARGAMUNI: "But we don't find any."
PRABHUPADA: Many. It is in the shastra. "He was formerly like this, and now he has become this." There are many.
GARGAMUNI: Well, that's in the shastra. They say now we want...
PRABHUPADA: But shastra is the proof. Our proof is shastra. Your proof is your "shastra". Did you go to the moon planet or you believe the newspapers? Have you gone?
GARGAMUNI: No.
PRABHUPADA: Then if you can believe newspaper, why shall I not believe in the Veda, Vedanta?
GARGAMUNI: No, but one man has come.
PRABHUPADA: So one man... You have not done. You have no experience. So one man you believe authority.
GURUKRPA: But we saw the television. They showed on the television.
PRABHUPADA: No. Television could not show that. You can arrange in the laboratory such television, cheat others. And you have done it. But anyway, television or man or newspaper—you believe on others. You have not personally gone. So you believe some authority. We believe some authority. What is the difference. You take newspaper as authority. We take Vedic literature as authority. Where is the difference? You have personally not gone. How do you believe? The difference is that you believe somebody, we believe somebody. I asked this question to Professor Kotovsky, that "You believe Lenin; we believe Krishna. Then where is the difference between philosophy?" Now it is to be judged whether Lenin is all right or Krishna is all right. That is another thing. But the principle is there. "You believe in Lenin; we believe in Krishna. The process is the same. So where is your improvement?"
...Twenty years ago I said, "This is all nonsense, moon-going." And now they are coming: "Oh, it is hoax." So that is the difference. Twenty years before and "This is all childish waste of money. This rascal will never be able to go to the moon." And now they are coming. That is the difference. I said from common sense. Nakshatranam aham shashi. And we read in the Bhagavatam that to go to the moon planet, one has to execute such yajñas, karma-kanda [sacrifices, pious activities]. We understand from shastra [revealed scriptures - the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His representatives, the Acharyas and saintly persons]. And how this rascal with a machine will go there? That is a common sense. But they do not believe in the words of the shastra. Rascals, they were bluffed and they believe. Shastra-chakshus. Your eyes should be through the shastra. Yah shastra-vidhim utsrijya vartate kama-karatah, na sa siddhim avapnoti [Bg. 16.23]. We believe in this. Therefore I said twenty years before. That is the difference. We take the words of shastra, words of Krishna, ultimate. That's all. So we have no difficulty. They do not believe in shastra. They do not believe in Krishna. So they were bluffed. That is the difference.