[Posted February 4, 2008]

Money Owns "Democracy"

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

We the People are bought and paid for

Educate Yourself Apr 2, 2004 - Interview of G. Edward Griffin by Victor Thorn & Lisa Guliani

Interview with G. Edward Griffin, Author of 'The Creature from Jekyll Island' (Secretive Creation of the Federal Reserve System)

G. Edward Griffin: Yes. We're talking about the J. P. Morgan dynasty, the Rockefeller dynasty, Kuhn Loeb & Company, the Rothschilds from Europe, and the Warburgs from Germany and the Netherlands. These were the people who were represented at that meeting, and they are the ones who created the Federal Reserve System - supposedly - to break the grip of the money trust. So, the first reason for the secrecy was to hide the fact that this was like asking the fox to build the hen-house and install the security system. One of the persons who attended that meeting wrote an article for The Saturday Evening Post some years later and he explained, quite openly that had the public known at the time precisely who was writing this bill, they would have rejected it. So that, you see, was one of the reasons for the secrecy. But we can learn other things about that meeting, too. I mentioned a moment ago what firms and enterprises were represented. This is extremely important.

Another interesting thing is that, prior to this meeting, or at least to this period in history, these firms were competitors. ... At the turn of the century, people like Rockefeller and Morgan and Carnegie had decided that since they were at the top of the heap, they didn't want any more competition. They wanted to put an end to competition.

Victor Thorn: John Rockefeller said, "Competition is a sin."

G. Edward Griffin: Absolutely! All of his biographers quoted him on that. So they began to look for ways to eliminate their competition, and of course, if they couldn't beat them in the open marketplace, which was the old way of eliminating competition, now they were looking for new ways, and that was to form monopolies and cartels - to go into joint ventures with competing firms so that they could no longer compete on price or markets, patents and processes. They would come together and form a cartel, and then they wouldn't have to compete and they could share the market. Well, that was what was happening at the turn of the century; and lo and behold, when you look at these men sitting around the table at a clubhouse on Jekyll Island, all of a sudden you realize, "Oh my gosh, the Federal Reserve System is a CARTEL." go to story

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What is money?

Got Money? A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
HARI-SAURI: How would you control inflation, how would you solve the inflation problem?

PRABHUPADA: Inflation problem, I suggested, make gold coins as medium of exchange.

HARI-SAURI: That means that there'll be the same... it'll have the same value all over the world.

PRABHUPADA: No question of value. Money has to be paid by real money-gold, silver. No paper.

HARI-SAURI: But whether it's gold or paper, isn't it all just representative of...

PRABHUPADA: No, medium of exchange.

HARI-SAURI: Yes.

PRABHUPADA: If I have to pay you, if you don't accept paper, then I'll have to give you gold or silver, and international exchange is going on. Then there is no inflation, because you'll not accept paper, so what is the use of printing notes? They are printing notes without any gold reserve. more

Manipulation hardly a secret

excerpt from conversation with disciples, morning walk, Los Angeles, June 4, 1976

RAMESVARA: So now these governments are very rascal. They are cheating the people deliberately.

PRABHUPADA: Well, government means combination of cheaters like you. What do you expect more than that? If you are cheaters, then you go to the government. Someway or other get vote. Bribe or something nefarious you do and get vote, and they become cheater government man. And then do your business. Because you are cheater, you have come to the post of prestige and power. What you will do? You know simply only cheat.

TAMAL KRSNA: So he'll cheat more.

PRABHUPADA: That's all. You have now got the power. You cheat more.

RAMESVARA: The people in America that claim that the American government is controlled by Communists. They say that these big, big bankers, the very rich, rich people, that they are actually..., their theory is Communist government, or, not Communist, dictatorship, and that they are secretly manipulating.

PRABHUPADA: What is their aim?

RAMESVARA: Power.

PRABHUPADA: Power..., anyone who has got money, he has got power. That is open secret. What is the secret? [laughs] If you have got money, you have got all power.

RAMESVARA: They're very expert in making the people think that this is democracy and that the people have power.

PRABHUPADA: If you can purchase vote by paying money, then where is democracy?

RAMESVARA: Just like one of their arguments is that these rich bankers, they can control how much money is being printed.

PRABHUPADA: Yes, suppose I stand for presidency, and I take money from bank and bribe and get vote.

RAMESVARA: So they can actually create, by their control, a depression.

PRABHUPADA: Yes, money can buy. The real thing is money. That is stated in the Bhagavata. Money is the criterion in the Kali-yuga. If you have got money, then you don't require anything; you can purchase anything.

RAMESVARA: Purchase justice.

PRABHUPADA: Oh, yes, anything. That is stated in the Bhagavata. So therefore people are trying to get money somehow or other. Then he knows, "I get all power." The present struggle is everyone is trying to get more, more, more, more money. Because everyone knows if I get money then I.... Just like the Beatles and others. Actually what they have got qualification? They have got money. That's all. What qualification? Singer. Singer, according to Vedic culture, third-class, fourth-class man.

TAMAL KRSNA: Shudra.

HARI-SAURI: Most of these famous guys, they are all really the lowest grade people as well. Very low grade.

PRABHUPADA: Otherwise, this John Lennon, how he dares to photograph naked with his lover? How lowest class man he is, that he has no shame even. And he's also big man. Press reporters go to take his opinion on certain subject matters. They do not know where I am going to take opinion. What is the value of this man? But people are after money. Why? "I have got money." That's all.

DEVOTEE: They hold great sway with the general public as well.

PRABHUPADA: Yes.

HARI-SAURI: One of the reasons why they did not want John Lennon to be allowed to stay in the United States is because they said that he had too much influence with the young people.

PRABHUPADA: Yes, he spoiled these. They are already spoiled... What is his value? But because he has got money and popularity, he has become big man.

RAMESVARA: So there is this theory that there is a conspiracy all over the world that the rich men to control.

PRABHUPADA: That is, we say. If you have got money, you can make conspiracy or anything, whatever you like. Conspiracy I cannot make, I have no money, I cannot make conspiracy. But if I have got money, I can develop a conspiracy with my money. That one man asked, "Have you got any intelligence?" The man began to.... "Let me see." "What is that?" "I am seeing my pocket." "Why pocket?" "Intelligence means pocket." If there is money in my pocket, then there is intelligence. Otherwise, there is no intelligence. And Chanakya Pandit also said, daridra-dosho guna-rashir nashi. A man may be very, very big, qualified man, but if he's poor, everything's finished. Daridra-dosho guna-rashir nashi.

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