Devotee (1):
Srila Prabhupada, I understand Krishna is the Personality of Godhead,
and He is the one who create this material world. So my impression is
Krishna, He didn't make this material world to be spiritual?
Prabhupada: It is spiritual as soon as you become a
devotee, spiritual. We are living in the spiritual world. That I
explained last night. So ultimately there is nothing material. Material
means when you forget Krishna. That is material.
Devotee (1): My question, Prabhupada, was...
Prabhupada: There is no material. When you forget Krishna,
that is material. Just like madness. Madness is not our natural
position, but when your brain is deranged, then it is madness. Madness
has no separate existence, but when our brain is not in order, there is
madness. Similarly, there is nothing material, because everything has
come from Krishna. The original source is Krishna. Aham sarvasya
prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate [Bhagavad-gita
10.8]. So the material world, the so-called material world, has come
from Krishna. So if it has come from Krishna how it is material? The
cause and effect is the same, maybe differently manifested. Just like
cotton, cotton made into thread, the shape has changed, but it is
cotton. And from the cotton thread, you make cloth. The cloth is
cotton. But if I say, "Cotton. Bring cotton," then you'll bring cotton,
not this cloth. But the cloth is also cotton. Now understand? Cloth is
nothing but cotton. But when I say "Bring cotton," you'll not bring a
cloth. You'll bring cotton. So the Krishna is the sarva-karana-karanam
[Brahma-samhita 5.1], cause of all effects. So all the
effects are Krishna. But you have no such realization. When you
understand that this place is Krishna's place, so you can worship
Krishna, glorify Krishna. But if you don't realize that it is
Krishna's, then you talk nonsense, madman. "This is American property,"
"It is African property," "It is this. It is that," so many madness.
But the shastra says, ishavasyam idam, everything
Krishna's. And the materialists, they'll protest... "No. Why
everything? It is my country. It is my place." That is material.
Similarly, anything coming from Krishna—Krishna is supreme spirit—it is
spiritual. The devotees, they understand that "This fruit has come from
Krishna. The flower has come from Krishna. Therefore it must be offered
to Krishna. It is for use." Otherwise how the fruit becomes spiritual?
We take prasadam. How it becomes... the same fruit? No. Because
the Krishna consciousness is there, it is spiritual. It is spiritual,
but it was not known. When one comes to Krishna consciousness, he
understands that everything belongs to Krishna.
Hari-sambhandhi vastunah. Everything has got relationship with
Krishna. That's the fact. So if anything has got relationship with
Krishna, so that is not material. We are going to a house, but it is
said "temple." Why? Because there is relationship with Krishna.
Otherwise where is the difference between the next house and our house?
So Krishna consciousness means that everything is spiritual, but we do
not accept it. We accepted something else. That is material.
