Everything they are doing in Arizona. All photograph in this place. Now they have been caught. I was always protesting, "These rascals have never gone." For the last ten years I've protested. Whenever they asked me, I say straightly, "It is all childish. They have never gone, neither they'll be able to go."

NASA PWNED!

More rocks and sand

PRABHUPADA: What is that point, there are thirty theories or something about this Mars planet?

DEVOTEE: Twenty-two theories.

PRABHUPADA: You just told?

DEVOTEE: They are trying to understand the geology of the planet and how the surface of the planet was formed, what...

PRABHUPADA: They have different... [break]

DEVOTEE: They are so foolish that they say these experiments are very wonderful. They are very proud of these experiments...

PRABHUPADA: Hm? Because they do not know.

DEVOTEE: Yes, the result is...

PRABHUPADA: Wonderful. Do not know. Wonderfully do not know. The platform is, "Do not know"; it is still wonderful. Wonderful foolish, like that. The platform remains "Do not know,'' but still it is wonderful.

JNANAGAMYA: Their most intelligent philosophers and thinkers always say...

PRABHUPADA: Hm?

JNANAGAMYA: Their most intelligent philosophers and thinkers, they always say that the more that we know, the more we understand that we don't know.

PRABHUPADA: And that is wonderful. The more they become convinced that "I do not know,'' that is wonderful. When they'll know?

DEVOTEE: Then they make these statements that "The earth is this old...'' They make statements like "The earth is this many years,'' without any factual basis.

PRABHUPADA: They are wonderful rascals. Shameless. Wonderful, shameless rascals. They say that the moon planet is desert, vacant, no living entities. And we say that it is the planet for the pious men to live there very opulently for ten thousand... Of these two classes of knowledge, which is better? We have got some evidence from the shastra, but they have no evidence. They are simply speculating. Now this Mars, they'll find the same result. Then how long they will go on like this?

ATREYA RSI: As long as the society is godless...

PRABHUPADA: Huh?

ATREYA RSI: As long as the society's godless, then...

PRABHUPADA: So how long they'll present the same theory over and over again? They're already putting the same thing. They have concluded in the moon there is rocks and sand, nobody can live. The same thing they are saying in a different way, and in the end they will have to say like that. Because they have no knowledge, it is simply theoretical. And they have no other alternative but to say the same thing again and again. What they will say?

JNANAGAMYA: They say on Mars there can be life because the conditions are a little bit like earth.

PRABHUPADA: Suppose there is life, then what you gain?

DEVOTEE: They say that our knowledge now is not mere theoretical because now we have gone there.

PRABHUPADA: But what profit you have gained? You have spent some millions of dollars, that's all.

DEVOTEE: More theories. The government encourages this spending of money while the citizens are unhappy and cannot be safe in their own city.

PRABHUPADA: Yes, you must have such government. Dasyu-dharyogi. They will snatch your money by force. You cannot say anything. That is punishment. Godless civilization, that is punishment, that your own government will snatch, by force, take away your hard labor accumulation, by taxes. That is written in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. You cannot fight. You will be harassed in so many ways you will become mad. Acchinna-dara-dravina yasyanti giri-kananam. Hopelessly you will leave hearth and home and go to the forest. This godless civilization will be punished like that. That day is coming like that. Nobody will be peaceful. They will be mad. Just like when a man becomes mad, he commits suicide, he blows off his head. This will be done. There will be no rain—this is one punishment—and scarcity of food and heavy taxation by government. They are all mentioned. What more suffering you want? But still they are advancing, scientists.

Special Effects in the Lab

PRABHUPADA: This is intellectual dishonesty. They produce sputnik and going to the moon in the laboratory.

SVARUPA DAMODAR: Yes.

PRABHUPADA: And then it is exposed, "Moon Hoax." This is intellect... There was a... There were many films. One film was... What is that? A big monkey?

TAMAL KRSNA: King Kong.

PRABHUPADA: [laughs] King Kong. They are producing chemical laboratory, yes, studio, and the monkey played...

TAMAL KRSNA: Yeah, they showed him going up and down the Empire State Building in a movie.

PRABHUPADA: And it was so interesting, it gathered so many public to see.

TAMAL KRSNA: Now they have another one, "King Kong Returns." Still it's very popular.

Somewhere in Arizona

HARI-SAURI: Everyone is infected with this "Life comes from chemicals." That I was talking to the air hostess on the plane coming, and she said, "But life comes from chemicals." This is the way everybody's taught in the schools, they don't know any different and they don't think about it, they have no intelligence to understand.

PRABHUPADA: And as soon as we say that you take an egg and find out the chemicals and put it into the incubator or under a chicken, get life, "No, wait millions of years." This bluffing. And this moon planet going means Arizona. That is now disclosed. They take photographs in the Arizona. That's all.

TAMAL KRSNA: Take photographs where?

HARI-SAURI: In Arizona. There's an article, and it showed a picture of Mars and it compared, there's supposed to be this canyon four miles deep. So they said it compares to the Grand Canyon in Arizona, like that. So Prabhupada said that by even mentioning Arizona they've revealed themselves. And he told one story about, there's a man, he heard a noise in his room, and he said, "Ah, who is that?" And immediately the reply came, "Oh, I'm not stealing." So even without asking, they've revealed themselves by saying Arizona, even mentioning Arizona.

PRABHUPADA: Why these rascals compare it with Arizona? As if there is no other place in the world. Everything they are doing in Arizona. All photograph in this place. Now they have been caught. I was always protesting, "These rascals have never gone." For the last ten years I've protested. Whenever they asked me, I say straightly, "It is all childish. They have never gone, neither they'll be able to go." That has been proof available. Now they do not talk about it. That is finished, all propaganda, finished. Now they have taken another...

TAMAL KRSNA: Mars.

PRABHUPADA: ...to keep their service in order. This is going on, all cheating. To keep people in darkness and exploit them. The so-called swamis exploiting, yogis exploiting, politician exploiting, scientists exploiting, philosophers exploiting. What is the position of the world? And this is the opportunity, human life, to know everything, to solve all the problems. They are not given the opportunity, they are kept in darkness. The demons: "There is no God, science is everything, life is produced from chemicals, and there is no living entities on other planets." They are simply show. This planet is full of..., it is all scientists, and they are vacant. And we have to believe that. Perhaps for the first time I am raising protest against all this nonsense.