[Posted Jul 29, 2009]

Apollo landing sites
NASA expects that these photo images of the Apollo landing site should shut up the conspiracy theorists, but - hello? - in this day and age of PHOTOSHOP that's not likely.

Whose authority do you accept re moon landing?



Praghosa das - Jul 28, 2009

Skepticism is healthy when it comes to listening to religionists, scientists and government...
from post at Istagosthi

Pratyatosa prabhu, PAMHO AGTSP. You state:

"Please forgive me for repeating myself, but these moon hoax theorists are self-motivated people who’s dogmatic religion is that the moon landings were a hoax. Even when Japan, China and/or India go to the moon and photograph the Apollo astronaut’s footprints on the surface of the moon, they will still make up some foolish concoction to try and explain them away so that they can sell more books and videos to a gullible public!"

On the authority of the Vedas...
They have not gone to the moon A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
PRABHUPADA: They have not gone to the moon planet. PARAMAHAMSA: Really? PRABHUPADA: Yes. It is far, far away. Their calculation is wrong. They are going to a wrong planet. PARAMAHAMSA: It must be the Rahu planet. PRABHUPADA: Yes, or something else. Not moon planet. PARAMAHAMSA: How many... PRABHUPADA: It is above the sun planet. PARAMAHAMSA: Moon planet is further? PRABHUPADA: Yes. PARAMAHAMSA: Oh. Because they say that the moon planet is the closest planet to the earth. That is their calculation. And they say that it orbits around the earth, and then that the earth orbits the sun. PRABHUPADA: All wrong. What is the... According to them, what is the distance of sun planet? PARAMAHAMSA: Sun planet is 93,000,000 miles. GANESA: They say the moon planet is only 250,000 miles. PRABHUPADA: It is wrong thing. PARAMAHAMSA: Is their calculation for the distance of the sun wrong also? PRABHUPADA: Yes.more

Amongst most devotees I know - this is not an important issue. However - your comment above fails to convey a correct perception for why ANY devotee would have ever really bothered with the subject in the first place; the assertions made by our Spiritual Master from the day the alleged landings occurred in July of 1969 - until as late as 1977.

He was the first person I personally ever encountered anywhere - who even broached the subject. He not only suggested that the moon landings were a "bluff" and/or "hoax" but in fact - he insisted that this was in fact the case. He offered various ways of approaching the matter - all with the ultimate point of exposing the "blind faith" of people in general in the material scientists and the governments who move under their influence.

From simple comments like "all over the world Sunday comes before Monday on the calender - to "the Bhagavatam insists that the Sun is closer to the Earth than the Moon", both defied mundane logic and accepted science - and forced us all to consider just how little tangible evidence ever supports much or most of what the scientists, religionists and politicians affirm.

So you have a little background in physics and this makes you the exception to Srila Prabhupada's comments and/or his purpose for expressing them?

Don't think so my friend.

Easy Journey to Other Planets is filled with comments on this so-called "space travel" and they are perfect.

Srila Prabhupada had his reasons for identifying the entire project as a bluff and a hoax. We just accept it - even if we cannot fully explain it to anyone's, everyone's or your satisfaction.

When you scoff at such simple reactions to the words of Srila Prabhupada - by anyone - inside or outside of his shelter - you offer more evidence as to your own conditioning and bias than you do on the condition or motivation of others.

Srila Prabhupada chuckled at the uselessness of it all. Whether they went or did not - we could no more eat the dust they purported to dig up and bring with them on their return - than we could the "nuts and bolts" he likewise insisted were equally inedible and therefore without any "real" value. This was the very bright heart of the derision and doubt he cast upon the whole venture. He did this for our benefit. He did not insert his views on the subject - calling it hoax and bluff - in order to "make up some foolish concoction to try and explain them away so that he could sell more books and videos to a gullible public!"

Respectfully,
Praghosa

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Jul 28, 9:36pm Pratyatosa Dasa wrote:

Thank you very much, Bhakta Alex Prabhu, for the interesting quotes, and I want to especially thank you for also including the corresponding links.

Please forgive me for repeating myself, but these moon hoax theorists are self-motivated people who’s dogmatic religion is that the moon landings were a hoax. Even when Japan, China and/or India go to the moon and photograph the Apollo astronaut’s footprints on the surface of the moon, they will still make up some foolish concoction to try and explain them away so that they can sell more books and videos to a gullible public!

My understanding is that higher resolution photographs will be available as soon as the LRO descends into a lower lunar orbit.

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

Jul 28, 11:32am Pratyatosa Dasa wrote:

Okay, so I was wrong about the Australian Radio telescope having an “all Australian staff.” There were a few NASA people also. Please forgive me.

However, these videos (see below) were made by self-motivated people who’s dogmatic religion is that the moon landings were a hoax. Even when Japan, China and/or India go to the moon and photograph the Apollo astronauts footprints on the surface of the moon, they will still make up some foolish concoction to try and explain them away!

None of these videos explain the recent photographs of the landing sites posted by NASA, which in the near future, will probably be verified by lunar probes from other countries.

Here are some comments on the videos:

*All you guys need to get a life, JB tracked the Apollo 11 mission and have all the evidence just ask them, I have never heard such utter rubbish on these comments from people who are totally misinformed!!!"
"Seconded. I’ve watched quite a few of Jarrah’s “exhibits” now  and find them quite laughable for the most part! Poor science, flawed conclusions, reliance on “experts” who either aren’t in possession of all the facts or who simply don’t know what they’re talking about, etc. Still, he clearly feels strongly about what he’s doing so fair play to him - at least it keeps him off the streets! (Oh, and Jarrah, it’s pronounced “Apollo,” not “A polo”…)"

For 40 yrs, nobody directly involved in the coverup has come forward to provide proof. This means that anyone who was NOT directly involved has no direct knowledge of it. Therefore, every aspect of the hoax theory was not pulled from actual facts or evidence, but rather from someone's imagination. In other words, it is a work of fiction. The fact that a few pictures and minutes of film appear to match the hoax story doesn’t make it true, especially when the rest of the evidence contradicts it.

The conversation that you quoted (See below) proves that Srila Prabhupada kept an open mind on the subject of the Apollo moon landings. Therefore, we should also keep open minds and not fall prey to the hoax theorists' dogmatic beliefs.

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

From: Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP
Date: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:47 AM
Subject: Proof That They Went to the Moon

Dear Prabhus, Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Just because some of the Apollo lunar mission photos/videos were faked/staged doesn't prove anything. The cold war was going on. Lying and/or exaggerating the truth was par for the course, for propaganda reasons. It was going on on both sides of the Iron Curtain all of the time!

A lunar trajectory is impossible to fake. Using a giant radio telescope located in Australia with an all Australian staff, they tracked all of the Apollo missions to and from the Moon. These were all top-notch scientists. No one could have fooled them even for a second. They were very independent minded and didn't like anyone, including NASA, telling them how to do their jobs. They knew where the Apollo spacecraft were within a tiny fraction of a degree at all times. They knew how to calculate the lunar trajectories based upon the laws of physics, more specifically, the laws of celestial mechanics.

When the moon was on their side of the planet, they relayed all of the voice, data, and video transmissions to and from the Apollo spacecraft, including a live conversation with the President of the United States. They also relayed the actual live two-way conversation of Neil Armstrong's first steps on the moon, including relaying the faint signals of the live video. This huge radio telescope just happened to be pointing directly at the moon at the time! If it were pointed even a tiny fraction of a degree off, they would not have been able to receive the extremely faint signals!

Also, no Russian space scientist has ever claimed that the moon landings by the US astronauts were a hoax.

Here, at last. is the photographic proof that the landings actually did occur:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html ("LRO Sees Apollo Landing Sites")

Does this mean that there was no hoax! No! The hoax was that the astronauts were made to feel very unwelcome on the moon because they were being watched by huge, intimidating alien spacecraft, and NASA covered it up! This may be one reason why some of the photos/videos were doctored/faked/staged. They had to remove the images of the UFOs and the astronauts reaction to them!

The above scenario is also what Sadaputa Prabhu told me that he suspected, when I talked with him about the Apollo flights several years ago.

So, Srila Prabhupada was right, "If they didn't encounter the highly advanced living entities who reside there, then they must not have gone!" (paraphrased). But they did go, and they did encounter the advanced living entities that Srila Prabhupada spoke about!

Let's all stop making fools of ourselves and therefore embarrassing Srila Prabhupada by claiming that the moon landings were a hoax!

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP, BS, Applied Physics, Michigan Technological University


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