SRUTAKIRTI: ...talking in the car on the way over, the other day you said that Govinda dasi, she had asked you if in general that we would have to take birth in India before going back home and you said yes. So we were wondering how that's possible that we have to take birth in India. Because we see that they're not very strict Vaishnavas there. So what is it...?
PRABHUPADA: The land is there.
SRUTAKIRTI: Yes.
PRABHUPADA: Land is... Just like this land, Vaishnava is there. This land is not meant for spiritual culture but still the Vaishnavas are there. Similarly, in
India, no, there are many Vaishnavas there. The mass of people, they
are all Vaishnava.
PARAMAHAMSA: So by joining this movement we come to the platform where we can take birth in India in a nice brahmana family?
PRABHUPADA: No, you can go directly also, if you want to finish your business. Shuchinam shrimatam gehe [Bhagavad-gita 6.41: "The unsuccessful yogi, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy. "]. This is a consideration, who, one who fails in executing. But if you become successful, then you go directly where Krishna is there. Krishna is there in some universe. So those who are completely liberated, they go to that universe. Just like when Krishna comes here, in each and every
universe there is a Vrindavana. So in that Vrindavana one takes birth.
Then goes to original Vrindavana.
PARAMAHAMSA: Those who are not able to maintain the Krishna consciousness principle, then they may have to go to India next lifetime.
PRABHUPADA: Yes. Shrimatam, shrimatam shucinam.
PARAMAHAMSA: Yes.
PRABHUPADA: So shrimatam, you can get here. Shrimatam means rich, rich family. Here you get many families, Ford family... But shrimatam and shucinam. So if you are creating so many brahmanas, so if this cult is permanent, then there will be many brahmana family here also.