THE BBT was never really broken - JUST PLAIN IGNORED - BY VARIOUS MEN WHO SOUGHT, UNDER THE GUISE OF ONE SELF-APPOINTED MISSION AFTER THE NEXT, to alter what Srila Prabhupada deftly established.

Legitimacy of the Quest at Question

Hello Naranarayana Prabhu, PAMHO AGTSP

Rein in the ego prabhu - it is salivating all over the carpet!

This is how you conduct yourself? If I remember correctly - you contacted me... asking for support and money.

I am sorry if my asking you questions or offering my perception is too inconvenient for your arrogance to accomodate. But if I have questions, I ask them. I have in the not too distant past received a thorough briefing on the results of the case - from the ORIGINAL LONE WARRIORS in the case - Mother Das and Bhima and Hansadutta prabhu. My understanding of what went down is in fact quite clear. Why I question you now in fact relates directly to this understanding of the facts.

The BBT - whatever may be contained in that secretive 'settlement' not withstanding - EXISTS and always has. The so-called "Settlement" cannot stand. It was made under the influence of fraud from the GET GO and precisely because of that, the BBTI now knows, as you say, "they are screwed".

Hans Kary aka HANSADUTTA DAS IS THE LEGAL APPOINTED-FOR-LIFE TRUSTEE, AND IF HE ASSUMES HIS DUTIES, THE BBTI MUST CHALLENGE HIS AUTHORITY TO DO SO AND THE LEGITIMCACY OF Srila Prabhupada's BBT IN COURT.

As you say The BBTI is wringing their hands, seeking a way to settle. Their lawyers have confirmed their "screwed status" etc.

How is anything you are telling us here - really different in its essence from what I am saying?

I said "they are screwed and they know it and do not wish to face the fury for that".

You say - "They are screwed and know it and are looking for a way to settle rather than face the fury"....

Hmmmmm - don't look now, Prabhu, but amidst all your bluster you have essentially agreed with my basic point.

Now Nimaipandit has asked this IMPOSTER BBT, the BBTI, for their accounts. WHY? WHY would he bother asking the fictitious BBT - now called BBTI - for the accounts of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust as if they are legitimate? Why ask a strange man for proof of his "marriage" to a woman unknow to him or you? Could he offer such authentication? NO. Can The BBTI authenticate its claim to the copyrights of Srila Prabhupada? Can the BBTI provide accurate accounts for the BBT? No they cannot. To deal with them in this way offers the implication that they are legitimate, which they are not.

As far as your insulting comments "Why do you wish to protect them" and "Are you just part of the Good Old Boys network?", brilliant, Prabhu. Absolutely brilliant. You come across like every other arrogant jerk I have ever encountered that simply cannot be questioned. Too bad. Why I have no right to inquire or challenge? You presume far too much.

Answer me this one question—don't skip this question—"Do you accept Hansadutta Das AKA HANS KARY as the legitimate TRUSTEE - in the eyes of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada - of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust - and in no way inimical to the beneficiary of the Trust, the International Society for Krsna Consciousness?

Your answer is keenly important. I do not want legalese. It is first and foremost a spiritual question.

In fact, if understood correctly, THIS SINGLE QUESTION LIES AT THE VERY HEART OF WHY ALLLLLLLLLLL OF THIS BEGAN WAYYYYYYYY BACK IN 1988, IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Hari Kesa et al claimed the "purity" of their intentions back then AND THE NEED TO ALTER THE TRUSTEE. Federowsky and his crew claimed the purity of their intentions next in their chicanery. AS WELL AS THE NEED TO ALTER THE TRUSTEE. NOW YOU CLAIM THE VERY SAME THING. YOU - the "LONE WARRIOR", as you have now referred to yourself to the impressionable - are going to fight the good fight and NO ONE - especially that "partisan" punk Praghosa - should dare challenge your strategy or your tactics, what to speak of your ultimate goal!!

Sorry to have to ask you this, BUT - DO YOU ACCEPT HANS KARY AKA HANSADUTTA DAS AS THE LEGITIMATE - IN THE EYES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE SRILA PRABHUPADA - TRUSTEE FOR LIFE OF THE BHAKTIVEDANTA BOOK TRUST?

You claim that all has to be restored or reformed. I say THE BBT was never really broken - JUST PLAIN IGNORED - BY VARIOUS MEN WHO SOUGHT, UNDER THE GUISE OF ONE SELF-APPOINTED MISSION AFTER THE NEXT, to alter what Srila Prabhupada deftly established.

You can attempt to slander my name or intent all you like. I could give a duck's feather for that. But the group you have solicited assistance from should all be on the same page with this.

IS YOUR QUEST TO GAIN CONTROL OF THE BBT - AFTER THE DUST SETTLES - WITHOUT ADHERING TO SRILA PRABHUPADA'S ARRANGEMENT? Are you likewise looking to ignore the essential simplicity of Srila Prabhupada's Trust, or do you seek to affirm it - in Granite?

I cannot help but think you wish for something other than Srila Prabhupada's simple arrangement, despite all your protest to the contrary.

Respectfully,

NATHAN ZAKHEIM wrote:

DEAR PRAGOSH PRABHU, PAMHO, AGTSP!

YOU HAVE RICHLY DESERVED THE "TONE" DUE TO YOUR PUBLISHING WILD AND IRRESPONSIBLE VIEWS WITHOUT CHECKING BEHIND THE SCENES BEFORE BLURTING THINGS OUT!

On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Patrick Hedemark wrote:
Hello Naranarayana Prabhu, I will overlook your tone and get straight to the point.

YUCK!

Prove to me - that the BBT has to "attack" the claims of the BBTI...

THE BBT HAS NO NEED TO ATTACK ANYONE. SO FAR GOPAL BHATTA HAS FUNDED LAWYERS TO ATTACK THE BENEFICIARY (ISKCON INC) IN THE NAME OF THE BBT. THIS WAS A VERY BIG MISTAKE ON THEIR PART.

I say that the BBTI MUST ATTACK THE CLAIM OF THE SRILA PRABHUPADA AND THE BBT. PROVE ME WRONG.

(THE PRABHUPADA?)

THE BBTI HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST. IT HAS NO POINT OF ORIGIN, IT WAS ILLEGALLY CREATED BY THE GBC, AND WAS CREATED SOLEY TO ROB THE BBT OF ITS IRREVOCABLE PURPOSE.

THE "SETTLEMENT" OF THE LAST CASE WILL NOT WITHSTAND THE SCRUTINY OF THE COURT. IT IS BOGUS.

THIS IS EXACTLY TRUE. BUT WITHOUT ATTORNEYS, WE WILL NEVER GET TO THAT POINT. JUST TO UNSEAL THE MYSTERIOUSLY SEALED SETTLEMENT OF THE BBT CASE WILL REQUIRE A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF LEGAL ACTION.

YOU CLAIM THAT THE BBT IS LEGITIMATE. I ASSERT THE SAME.

IF WE BOTH AGREE, THEN WHY DO YOU WANT ME TO PROVE YOU WRONG?

This FACT stands alone.

THE BBT IS A COUNTER PART TO THE DOM. THEY REFER TO EACH OTHER, AND ARE MEANT TO BE THE "LEFT AND RIGHT" HANDS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DESIGN FOR THE CONTINUANCE OF ISKCON.

You now wish to pay attorneys to go into court to make this claim and have it established by the court.

NOT QUITE. THE LAWYERS WILL BE OUR AGENTS TO PETITION THE COURT TO FORCE THE BBT TO PERFORM ITS DUTIES AS PER SP ORDER. WE WILL NOT SUCCEED IF WE TRY TO DO THIS WITHOUT ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF TRUST LAW. FORTUNATELY, THE HEAD OF THIS PARTICULAR FIRM HAPPENS TO WRITE THE BOOKS ON TRUST LAW THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO WIN THE CASE.

My claim is that it WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1972 BY HDG SRILA PRABHUPADA IN THE CALIFORNIA COURT ALREADY!

IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR ORGANIZATIONS TO EMBEZZLE THE ASSETS OF A TRUST. THAT IS WHAT TRUST ATTORNEYS ARE FOR: TO MAKE TRUSTS WHOLE AGAIN!

IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE RE-ASSERTED OR RE-ESTABLISHED.

OF COURSE IT DOES! THE TRUST LAWS OF CALIFORNIA ARE NOT SELF-ENFORCED! THERE ARE FAR TOO MANY TRUSTS FOR THE STATE TO KEEP UNDER CONSTANT SCRUTINY. IF THE BENEFICIARY HAS A COMPLAINT, HE HIRES A LAW FIRM SUCH AS OURS, TO REPRESENT THAT THE INTEREST OF THE TRUSTEE ARE NOT BEING MET BY THE TRUST. THE COURT THEN HAS STANDING TO EXAMINE THE PRACTICES OF THE TRUST, AND IF THEY ARE NOT HONEST, THE COURT WORKS WITH THE LAWYERS THAT THE BENEFICIARY HIRES TO MAKE THE TRUST WHOLE.

THE BBTI NOW CLAIMS TO HOLD THE COPYRIGHTS. THEY DO NOT - AND WHAT IS MORE - THEY KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT.

ACTUALLY, THEY HOLD THE COPYRIGHTS OF THE CHANGED BOOKS, NOT THE ORIGINAL BOOKS. WHEN THEY CHANGED THE BOOKS THEY TOOK OUT NEW COPYRIGHTS IN THE NAME OF BBTI INSTEAD OF THE BBT. THAT IS CLEARLY THEFT OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

THAT YOU ARE CONFIDENT

OF WHAT?

MEANS MERELY THAT YOU ARE JUST AS SURE OF THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION AS ANYONE.

WHAT SITUATION?

- INCLUDING THE MEMBERS OF THE BBTI!

THE MEMBERS OF THE BBT I HAVE RECENTLY BEEN INFORMED BY THEIR ATTORNEYS THAT THEY ARE SCREWED. (WE HAVE SEVERAL MOLES WHO REPORT TO US FROM INSIDE THE BBTI) THEY HAVE BEEN WRINGING THEIR HANDS AND WRACKING THIER MINDS TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO BUY US OFF. ONE PLAN RECENTLY DISCUSSED WAS TO GIVE US THE BBT, SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO PRINT THE CHANGED BOOKS WITH THE BBTI. AOTHER BRIGHT IDEA WAS TO ELIMINATE THE BBT. FORTUNATELY, WHEN A VOTE WAS TAKEN, THEY LACKED THE VOTES TO PULL THIS OFF. GOPAL BHATTA DAS HAS BECOME THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BBT (SMOKING AND DRINKING OVERLOOKED) AND HIS GOAL IS TO DIVERSIFY THE BBTI TO PRINT NEW AGE BOOKS, AND HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THE EXAMPLE OF TRIPURARI BE COPIED SO THAT EACH ISKCON "GURU" WILL COMMENT ON HIS OWN GITA TO KEEP THE IDEAS AND LANGUAGE CONTEMPORARY.

NOW MY POINT IS - THEY WILL, IF PRESSED, NOT WISH TO FACE THIS IN COURT. IN THE LAST CASE THE JUDGE TOOK THEM ASIDE AND KINDLY TOLD THEM - IF I ADJUDICATE THIS, YOU WILL LOSE. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

THEN WHY DID GUPTA GIVE THEM EVERY THING THAT THEY COULD EVER WANT? UP TO AND INCLUDING REPLACING HANSADUTTA AS TRUSTEE WITH JAYADVAITA SWAMI AS NEW TRUSTEE?. THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE WINNING AT ALL, UNLESS YOU CONSIDER THAT A CASH SETTLEMENT THAT GUPTA PROMPTLY STOLE IS SOME SORT OF WAY TO WIN.

NOW YOU WISH TO SPEND MONEY TO DEFEND A CASE THAT WOULD AGAIN NOT BE ADJUDICATED BECAUSE THE BBTI WOULD AGAIN ATTEMPT TO "SETTLE".

IF WE DO NOT SUE THE BBTI, THEN THEY CANNOT SETTLE, CAN THEY?. IF THEY SETTLE, THEY WILL HAVE TO SETTLE WITH A MOST UNSYMPATHETIC CALIFORNIA COURT THAT WILL SIMPLY TAKE AWAY THE BBTI NAME, TRANSFER THE MONEY TO THE ORIGINAL BBT, APPOINT NEW BBT TRUSTEES, AND MOST LIKELY TURN THE THIEVES OVER TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. WHAT, IN THAT CONTEXT, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO SETTLE?

THEY BROKE THE LAW, PRABHU. NOT HANSADUTTA OR SRILA PRABHUPADA. WHICH IS WHAT THEY CLAIMED TO THE RANK AND FILE. BUT THEY DID NOT MAKE THIS CLAIM IN COURT. THEY COULD NOT. THEY COULD NOT SHOW LEGAL CONVERSION OF THE ASSETS OF THE TRUST AND THEY NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO.

WELL, YOU ARE CERTAINLY RIGHT, BUT IN THE END IT WAS "BUSINESS AS USUAL" FOR THE BBTI. WHATEVER WAS SETTLED IN THE LAST CASE PRACTICALLY RUINED THE CHANCE OF GETTING THE BBT MADE WHOLE AGAIN.

DESPITE YOUR DRAMATICS IN ADDRESSING THIS TO ME, YOU MUST SHOW ME THE LOGIC OF YOUR ACTIONS.

WELL, YOU HAVE CERTAINLY CONCEALED FROM ME THE LOGIC OF YOUR OBJECTIONS! IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE GENUINE INFORMATION ABOUT ANY OF THE MATTERS OF THE HANSADUTTA CASE OR THIS CASE EITHER.

AS I EXPLAINED - SOMEONE MUST SHOW THEMSELVES TO BE INJURED IN PERSON OR PROPERTY TO BRING THIS TO COURT.

ONCE AGAIN. THE BENEFICIARY (ISKCON INC) IS THE INJURED PARTY AND LEGALLY ELIGIBLE TO HAVE THE COURT RE-CONSTITUTE ITS BENEFACTOR, THE BBT.

WE PRINT - IN MASS - AND PUBLISH THE TRUE DETAILS OF THE FIRST CASE TO THE WHOLE WORLD - THE BBTI IS THEN FORCED TO ACT.

NOT AT ALL! IN THE SEALED RECORD ARE THE TERMS BY WHICH THE COURT "LEGITIMIZED" THE BBTI, AND ALLOWED LIFETIME APPOINTED BBT TRUSTEES TO STEP DOWN FROM THEIR LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS. THE TRUE DETAILS OF THE CASE ARE WIDELY KNOWN, AND THEY ARE VERY EMBARRASSING FOR US!

THEY WILL HAVE ONLY ONE OPTION - SUBMIT TO REALITY - OR GO TO COURT, WHERE ALLLLLLL THEIR CRIMINAL ACTIONS WILL BE FORCED UNDER THE MICROSCOPE OF THE PRESENT LEGAL SYSTEM.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO PROTECT THESE CAREER CRIMINALS, FRAUDS, AND THIEVES?. ARE YOU PART OF THE "OLD BOYS CLUB" AND THESE ARE YOUR PALS?

AT THAT TIME MAYBE WE WOULD NEED TO PAY ATTORNEYS - HONEST MEN - TO DO THE NEEDFUL, BUT IT IS THE BBTI THAT WOULD NEED TO SHOW INJURY.

YE GODS! HOW DID YOU DRAW THAT CONCLUSION FROM THE FACTS? THE BBTI CANNOT SHOW INJURY, AS THE BBTI CANNOT EVEN PROVE THAT IT HAS STANDING IN A CASE TO PROVE INJURY. ONLY THE BENEFICIARY CAN SHOW INJURY, AND THE BBTI SIMPLY AIN'T IT!

HOW COULD I STEAL YOUR STORE - YOUR WIFE - YOUR CAR - WHILE YOU ARE ON VACATION, THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK, SUE YOU FOR DAMAGES WHEN YOU SET UP ANOTHER STORE NEXT TO MINE?

ANYONE CAN SUE ANYONE. THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY SET UP ANOTHER STORE INSTEAD OF GETTING BACK YOUR STORE, YOUR WIFE AND YOUR CAR? (AND WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE YOUR WIFE ON VACATION WITH YOU? WHAT DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN?)

THIS IS THEIR POSTION - AND WHAT'S MORE - THEY KNOW IT.

THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE SCREWED. BUT YOU SEEM TO BE THEIR BEST FRIEND.

Kindly show me - sans the insults - WHY IT MUST BE ADDRESSED AS YOU SAY.

I AM AFRAID THAT AN INSULT CEASES TO BE AN INSULT WHEN IT IS ACCURATE AS APPLIED. I HAVE WORKED WITH DOZENS OF LAWYERS OVER THE YEARS, AND I HAVE NEVER ONCE LOST A CASE. I ASSURE YOU, NO COMPETENT LAWYER WOULD ASK ME THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU DO.

I WOULD - AND I AM SURE OTHERS WOULD AS WELL - NEED MORE THAN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A TEAM OF ATTORNEYS "WHO MET PRABHUAPDA AND CONSIDERED HIM SAINTLY" AS JUST CAUSE.

HAVE YOU UNDERSTOOD THE "INS AND OUTS" OF THIS CASE AS YET? I CERTAINLY HOPE SO, AS PUBLICLY PEEING IN THE WELL AT THIS TIME WILL NOT MAKE AN OFFERING OF WATER TASTE BETTER.

THE ESSENCE OF SALES IS RAPPORT. WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT, THEY ARE SELLING YOU THEIR GOOD INTENTIONS BLAH BLAH...

YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA AS TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! YOU HAVE BEEN FOOLED FOR MORE THAN HALF YOUR LIFE BY SINCERELY SELLING BOOKS IN THE STREETS SIMPLY SO THAT THOSE CROOKS COULD CASH IN ON YOUR HARD WORK. YOU HAVE PROBABLY BOUGHT ONE OF THOSE EMBEZZLERS ONE OR MORE COMPLETELY FURNISHED HOUSES BY NOW! AND YOU SAY THAT I AM BEING FOOLED!

I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY THAT.

WELL, I AM IMPRESSED THAT YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE CRIMINALS FROM ANY HARM! IT SEEMS THAT YOUR "DISTASTE" FOR LAWYERS IS SO THAT YOU CAN HELP THEM MAKE A "SETTLEMENT" THAT WILL KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS SELLING CHANGED BOOKS... YOUR OLD PALS!

WHAT IS NEEDED TO CONVINCE ME IS SIMPLE ENOUGH.

SIMPLE MAY BE TOO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

THEY MUST EXPLAIN - IN THE KINGS ENGLISH - WHY EVEN THOUGH THE BBTI BROKE VARIOUS LAWS AND ILLEGALLY LAID CLAIM TO THE ASSETS OF AN IRREVOCABLE TRUST DULY AND LEGALLY ESTABLISHED IN THE CALIFORNIA LAW, THE "VICTIM" OF THE THEFT NEEDS TO ASSERT ITS CLAIM IN COURT WHEN ALL THE LEGAL PAPERWORK AND RECORDS ARE THERE AND ARE IMPREGNABLE.

CAN YOU PLEASE TRANSLATE THE ABOVE SENTENCE INTO ENGLISH?

I do not find such logical explanation in your words...only passion and though passion is good, it needs to be led by the head. So kindly offer me justification for this "tactic" in the overall strategy to increase book distribution!

THE MOST SIMPLE THING I CAN SAY TO CONVINCE YOU IS THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BBT, MADE WHOLE BY LEGAL ACTION, IS THE ONLY WAY THAT KRISHNA WILL BE PLEASED IN THE MATTER OF DISTRIBUTING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS.

THE LAWYERS WILL EXPLAIN THE CASE LAW SUPPORTING THE BBT TO THE COURT, AND THE COURT WILL TAKE ACTION AGAINST THE BBTI, AND ITS TRUSTEES IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS ONE PENNY OF STOLEN MONEY AGAIN.

WHAT IS THE BAD PART?

YOUR ETERNAL SERVANT,
NNV DAS